The Aryan origin of most Iranians, Darius Great’s Inscription and the propaganda movie 300
A Great god (Ancient Persian baga, Slavic bóg, God) is Ahúrá Mazdá, (baga vazraka Aúra-mazda)
Who created/gifted (a-da) this earth, who created/gifted this sky
(hya imam búmim ada hya avam asmanam)
Who created (a-da “gave, created) mortal man (martiya), who created brilliant happiness for mortal man
(ada hya martiyam ada hya shiyatim ada martiyahya ada hya martiyam ada hya)
Who made Darius the ruler/king,
(hya Dáraya-vaum xshayath-iyam a-kun-aúsh)
The One ruler/king among plentitude or many
(aivam parúvnám xshayath-iyam)
The One chief commander, the ruler among plentitude or many rulers
(aivam parúvnám framátáram)
I am (ad-am) Darius, the Great king, ruler/king over kings, king of all the lands, king of this great clime, far and wide, son of Hystaspes, an Achaemenid, a Persian, son of a Persian, AN ARYAN, FROM THE ARYAN KINSFOLK
(ad-am Dáraya-vaush, xshayath-iya vazraka,xshayath-iya xshayath-iya-nám,xshayath-iya dahyú-nám vispa-zanánám11 xshayath-iya ahyaya búmiya vazrakaya,dúra-iapiy, Vishtasp-ahya púcha, haxa-manishiya, pársa pársahya pucha, ARIYA ARIYA-CICHA)
Out of 10 Ancient Iranian human male remains assigned to the Andronovo horizon from the greater Khorasan in the northeast of Greater Airan/Iran, 9 possessed the distinct Aryan R1a Y-chromosome haplogroup. (That is the ancient Iranian/Aryan marker R1a predominates in Andronovo samples)
mtDNA haplogroups of nine individuals assigned to the same Andronovo horizon and region were as follows: U4 (2 individuals), U2e, U5a1, Z, T1, T4, H, and K2b.
The study determined that at least 2/3 of the individuals overall (out of the 26 Bronze and Iron Age human remains’ samples of the study that could be tested) had light hair and grey or blue, green eyes.
(An average of 8% to 9% percent of Present day Iranians have light colored eyes in the urban areas and about 15% of the Present day Iranians in the rural mountainous areas have light colored eyes.)
Today, R-M17 can be found in most parts of Western Asia, in widely varying concentrations, from almost NO presence in areas such as Saudi Arabia and Jordan, to much higher levels in Kurdish parts of Iraq, Eastern Turkey and Iran.
Wells 2001, noted that in the western part of the country, Iranians show lower R-M17 levels (an average of 15%,) while males of eastern parts of Iran carried up to 35% R-M17.
Nasidze 2004 found R-M17 in approximately 20% of Iranian males from the cities of Tehran and Isfahan. Regueiro 2006 in a study of Iran noted much higher frequencies of R1a among the population.
R-M17 is found in extremely high frequencies among ancient Iranian Tajik populations of Central Asia, especially in the mountainous badakhshan region and the towering Pamir ranges.
The highest R1a1 frequencies are detected in the Central Asian populations of Ishkashemi Tajiks (68%) and Pamiri Tajiks (64%), both groups being remnants of the original Eastern Iranian population of the region. Apart from these two groups, high frequencies of R1a1 are also found in Pashtuns (44.8%) and eastern parts of the Iranian Highlands up to frequencies of 35%, similar to Northern India.
In Europe, the R-M17 sub-clade, is found at highest levels among peoples of Eastern European descent (Poles, Russians and Ukrainians; 50 to 65%) (Balanovsky 2008, Behar 2003, and Semino 2000).
In the Baltic countries R-M17 frequencies decrease from Lithuania (45%) to Estonia (around 30%) (Kasperaviciūte 2005).
There is a significant presence in peoples of Scandinavian descent, with highest levels in Norway and Iceland, where between 20 and 30% of men are in R-M17 (Bowden 2008 and (Dupuy 2005).
Vikings and Normans may have also carried the R-M17 lineage westward; accounting for at least part of the small presence in the British Isles (Passarino 2002 and Capelli 2003).
In East Germany, where Haplogroup R-M17 reaches a peak frequency in Rostock at a percentage of 31.3%, it averages between 20%-30% (Kayser 2005).
In Southern Europe R-M17 is not common, for example only 10% in Albania Kosovo and most parts of Greece (Pericić 2005, Rosser 2000 and Semino 2000).
Yet, in the neocon propaganda movie 300, the only three speaking Persian leaders are prominently portrayed not as Persians, but as Nubians.
In the battle scenes Ancient Aryan Iranian fighters are dressed in uniforms that one would expect from the Arab world or Al Qaida. The filmmakers are eager to identify the Persians in the film to be associated with Arab terrorists and Muslim extremists, with head garments bearing similarity to every video of Al Qaida terrorist training camps.
Historical evidence suggests that the Persian army dressed very similarly to the Greeks. Furthermore, the ancient Iranians were Not Muslims, but Aryan ZOROASTRIANS and in fact were very religiously tolerant.
Finally, we get a view of Xerxes. The only thing the movie accurately portrayed about Xerxes was his height, for historians think he was close to seven feet tall.
Surviving art shows him with a full head of hair, long beard, sporting a very regal, European countenance.
In 300, Xerxes is portrayed as a weird, baldheaded, transvestite type complete with earrings, ostentatious jewelry, and heavy eye-lashes and eye-shadow makeup. In Xerxes’ court there are various expressions of bestiality, and perverted sex with deformed human beings.
The truth is while NOT all present day Iranians are of Aryan ancestry, still a significant portion of present day Iranians are of unmistakable Aryan descent. Even today a good number of Iranians are indistinguishable from many Europeans.
The manipulation of truth, distortion of historical facts, science and/or media, in service of political agendas is a reality and has been so for ages. Many so-called academicians today are in the service of political agendas.
The genetic research of mr maziar ashrafian bonab fits entirely in the above category.
Mr maziar asharfian bonab’s theory is badly outdated and merely repeats the discredited views made by Dr Wells back in 2001. Dr Wells fashioned a a highly controversial and hereto unprecedented theory concerning the non-Aryan or non ancient Indo-Iranian origins of the present day Iranian populations based on extremely limited population samples. Dr Wells views has since fallen into disrepute. Even at the time Wells fabricated his theory, it was contradicted by genetic studies conducted by Cavalli-Sforza, Wells’ own teacher, who has revealed that present day Iranians have weak correlation with Near Eastern groups, and are closer to surrounding Indo-Europeans speaking populations.
But mr maziar ashrafian bonab is trying to advance/resurrect the defunct theories of dr wells. The theory basically says that the present day Iranians are merely Middle Easterners (related to ancient Middle Eastern groups like the Akkadians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Amorites, etc. and other Semites of Mesopotamia) who borrowed their language from the unrelated ancient Indo-Iranians or ancient Aryans.
Like Dr Wells before him, mr maziar ashrafian bonab’s ideologically driven theory conveniently ignores the preponderance of R1a genetic marker among present day Iranian populations and/or the overall autosomal DNA of the Iranians. (The R1a or the ancient Iranian-Aryan distinct genetic marker is regularly found at frequencies of greater than 15% across Iran, and reaches frequencies of 35% or much higher in the eastern parts of the country. The highest R1a1 frequencies are detected in the Central Asian populations of Ishkashemi Tajiks (68%) and Pamiri Tajiks (64%), both groups being remnants of the original Eastern Iranian population of the region. Apart from these two groups, high frequencies of R1a1 are also found in Pashtuns (44.8%) and eastern parts of the Iranian Highlands up to frequencies of 35%, similar to Northern India.)
Furthermore, linguistic and archeological evidence proves that the Aryans of ancient Iran shared almost nothing in common with the Semites, neither in language nor culture. Infact the flow of culture that began Mesopotamian civilization was from the regions near the Zagros to the Near East, intruding into the aboriginal cultures of those regions. So in the past, Middle Easterners and ancient Iranians were very different people.
In addition, modern populations of the southern Middle East (especially Arabic speaking ones) have a higher frequency of the haplogroup J1, whereas the great majority of Haplogroup J representatives among the populations of the Northern Middle East, southern Europe, Iran and India belong to the subclade J2a. Haplogroup J2a-M410 in India is largely confined to the upper castes with little occurrence in the middle and lower castes and is completely absent from south Indian tribes and middle and lower castes.
This suggests that, if the occurrence of Haplogroup J2a among modern populations of southern Europe, Central Asia, and South Asia does reflect Neolithic demic diffusion from the Middle East, the source population is more likely to have originated from Anatolia, the Levant or northern Mesopotamia than from regions further south into the arabian peninsula and southern Iraq.
In other words, J2a marker which is found in an average frequency of 25% in Iran would be mainly an Indo-Ayran marker, i.e. those Indo-European people of western Asia. This also works for southern Europeans including Greeks and Italian people.
Compared to the Indo-Aryan J2a marker associated with the ancient Hittites, Mitanni and other Indo-European Anatolian populations, the occurrence of the Semite/South Mesopotamian genetic marker J1 is 40.1% in saudi arabia, 58.3% in Qatar, 72.6% in Yemen, 38.0% in Oman, 34.8% in UAE, 33.3% in Kuwait and only between 9% to 11% in Iran.
However, mr ashrafian bonab claims in essence that the present day Iranians descent from the South Mesopotamian populations and share the same ancestry with the marsh shia arabs of Iraq. It should be added that some later shia hadiths put ajam (a derogatory arab term for Iranians) and the people of kufah in southern Iraq, who refused to help the 3rd shia Martyred Imam Hussein, at the same ancestry.
Remarkably, mr maziar ashrafian bonab also claims that almost ALL the seyyeds in Iran or those who claim descent from the Prophet of Islam seem to share the same south Mesopotamian distinct genetic marker of J1c3d. Over 6 million ppl in Iran alone claim the seyyed ancestry.
Yet, genetic studies in Northern India and other non arab lands has shown that only 11% of the supposed seyyeds share southern Mesopotamian/Semite J1c3d genetic marker. Another 18 percent share the genetic markers J2 which is associated with Indo-Europeans ancient Hittites in Northern Mesopotamia. And 90 percent of those who claim seyyed descent in India and non arab lands share the same genetic markers as the rest of the native populations of their respective country.
Present day West Iranians are genetically closest to the Kurds, and show great genetic similarity to the Armenian and other populations of the Caucasus Mountains.
The genetic markers of present day East Iranians is very similar to that of North Indians and the Brahmans in general, belonging in equal numbers to genetic markers R1a, J2 and G.
To claim that Iranians are a mutated form of arab populations (ajam) is unsubstantiated, ideological rhetoric and is wishful thinking on the part of individuals and groups with a clear ideological agenda.
Fundamentalists are bent on proving through distortion of historical facts, manipulation of scientific data and a host of other unwholesome tactics that the ancient Aryan/Iranian identity is only a myth/lie and even if true was insignificant and marginal at best.
These ideological warriors have found a valuable ally in the politically correct and decadent attitudes of the West toward ancient Indo-European studies.
According to these ideological warriors, Iranian identity begins with shia islam, and all science, culture and civilization and even national identity came to Airan/Iran only after the arab bedouin invasion. To them, Iranians are ajam or a mutated version of arab people, and pre-islamic Iranian history, culture, nationhood and ancient beliefs are mostly a myth and are insignificant at best.
Accordingly; anything and everything prior to the arab invasion falls within the category of dark ages and superstition. The works of mr maziar ashrafian bonab has only given a scientific legitimacy to such unauthentic hadiths and long held erroneous and wishful beliefs.
(During his youth, mr maziar ashrafian bonab shared the Islamic revolutionary ideals of the Basiji movement and the basiji ideals of shia Islam, country and people. The following posted video by mr maziar ashrafian bonab shows clearly his ideological inclinations. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5eQS3D4bbU.)
Another fellow thinker of mr maziar ashrafian bonab; mr reza zia-ebrahimi asks if the ancient Indo-European heritage of Iranians does even matter??? Well, the real question is, if faith in the universal islamic religion equates arabization or obliteration of any identity other than the arab/islamic identity???
Going back to mr reza zia-ebrahimi rhetorical question; Yes every identity matters. The same way that the Palestinian identity matters, the kurdish and Iranian identity matter as well. The possible hebrew lineage of present day Palestinian Arabs matter. The Armenian ancestry of many present day Turks matter. The ancient Indo-European ancestry and identity of present day Iranians and Kurds matter too.
Fact is that shia islam has a rich and undeniable Zoroastrian heritage and background. That heritage ought to be celebrated and not shunned, denied or obliterated by the shia moslems.
Happily, many present day Iranians are PROUDLY rediscovering their Aryan Zoroastrian past and see NO conflict between their ancient heritage/religion and their current shia faith. This includes many brave members of the Islamic revolutionary guard and families and children of shia marja or sources of emulation. The tide of history can not be undone.
I would like to end this article with a quote from Tolkien Lord of the Rings; “How could the world go back to the way it was, when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it’s only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines, it will shine out the clearer.”
ardeshir
Iranian mitochondrial DNA
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#Indo-Iranian
Here is the fruit of Elena Kuz’mina’s life-long quest for origin of the Indo-Iranians, considered the most comprehensive analysis of the origins of the Indo-Iranians ever published
http://vaedhya.blogspot.com/2012/07/interpreting-new-iranian-y-chromosomal.html
http://discovermagazine.com/2006/nov/ancient-towns-excavated-turkmenistan
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml
Click to access Underhill_et_al_full.pdf
The latest study has a different take,namely that R1a originated within Iranian territory itself rather than the Steppes.
“Our phylogeographic data lead us to conclude that the initial episodes of R1a-M420 diversification occurred in the vicinity of Iran and Eastern Turkey, and we estimate that diversification downstream of M417/Page7 occurred ~5800 years ago. This suggests the possibility that R1a lineages accompanied demic expansions initiated during the Copper, Bronze, and Iron ages, partially replacing previous Y-chromosome strata, an interpretation consistent with albeit limited ancient DNA evidence.”
“Among the 120 populations with sample sizes of at least 50 individuals and with at least 10% occurrence of R1a, just 6 met these criteria, and 5 of these 6 populations reside in modern-day Iran. Haplogroup diversities among the six populations ranged from 0.78 to 0.86 (Supplementary Table 4). Of the 24 R1a-M420*(xSRY10831.2) chromosomes in our data set, 18 were sampled in Iran and 3 were from eastern Turkey. Similarly, five of the six observed R1a1-SRY10831.2*(xM417/Page7) chromosomes were also from Iran, with the sixth occurring in a Kabardin individual from the Caucasus. Owing to the prevalence of basal lineages and the high levels of haplogroup diversities in the region, we find a compelling case for the Middle East, possibly near present-day Iran, as the geographic origin of hg R1a”
http://dienekes.blogspot.ca/…/major-new-article-on-deep…
Authentic Gatha Zoroastrianism 
Andronovo Culture and the first Indo-Iranians
Well done you tell the truth.
300 is a twisted attempt to discredit us.
Hollywood and Islam have been trying to hide our identity, our real contribution to the world, bury the truth of our religion to rob us of our potential powers that they clearly fear.
If Iranians shed the veil if Mohamedenism we would become more divine like.
USA and Arabia fear us and something we have or our potential. That is why the Arabs installed an Islamic matrix over 222 years and told the rest of us we are gabr and nargess. Now USA is providing an illusion of choice and offering a Eurocentric capitalistic model for oppressed Iranians to flock to in escape.
These fundies have still not woken up to the fact that they cannot subvert/subdue the Zartoshty spirit ingrained in us. Frashogard is coming soon, then we shall see. Well done Ardeshir jaan, keep up the spirit. The Ahriman will soon be in his Virginless Hell. That is the price for his ignorance and the darkness which surrounds his limited brain.
Dear Sir,
I have read your article with the greatest interest and agree with it entirely. The Avesta of the Gathas are only slightly younger than the Sanskrit of the Rig-Ved (which is the oldest of the 5) and both scriptures are totally distinct from each other. The Gathas are the out-pourings of a soul searching for answer to life’s problems and finding them in Innate Wisdom, Good Conscience, True Devotion and the Best Existence combined in one embodied as the Wise Lord. The Rig-Ved is a compilation of prescribed rituals and sacrifices with their attendant manthravani for the satisfaction of the Gods. To think that one evolved from the other would be an insult to both and would not reflect very highly on the intelligence of the thinker.
The intellectual prowess of the ancient Persians has not been given due recognition but articles like these will go a long way in addressing this problem.
Mr Jamshid Izadi (or whatever ur real name is,) making threats online is a federal crime. However, I find ur threats outright funny. Now, concerning, ur promise to come pay me a visit and threats of physical harm; Sir, it is apparent by ur foul language, that u are a very small man, in size, statute and in a number of other departments.
I am 6.3 foot tall and 220 pounds of muscle. Please come visit me in America. It will be GREAT FUN, and will show u some real hospitality. Now moving to the the next real issue, ur unsubstantiated, grossly fabricated rhetoric comes from a semi-official lair of lies and right out of the mouth of Sauron.
However, since u do NOT have the courage and/or honesty to post under ur real name, and ur language is exceedingly profane and vulgar; ur obsene comments are ALL assigned to TRASH, a fitting end for all ur worthless babble.
I have to admit though, Sir u are an entertaining pastime/joke. For example u alleged that I am a british agent, LOL. The last I checked; and it is also a matter of public record, both ur academic sources; mr maziar ashrafian bonab, and mr reza zia-ebrahimi are british academics, both are employed by the british universities, and both receive their official salaries in british currency or pound. Fact, is u are not impressing and/or intimidating anyone here a bit. I PROUDLY stand up for my glorious ancient Aryan Zoroastrian heritage and religion. I will PROUDLY continue to expose ur semi-official line of fabricated lies and pseudo-science fictions.
Fact, is that u and ur lamentable kind have lost the WAR long time ago. Pre-Islamic Iranian identity is well and ALIVE. Many Iranians today, including a great brave many among the sepáh (islamic revolutionary guard) and the children of top clerical families and shia marjas (sources of emulation) are proudly re-discovering their ancient Zoroastrian and ancient Aryan/Indo-European roots, and see NO conflict between that and their shia moslem faith.
You and ur kind can NO LONGER turn the tide or turn the clock backwards, no matter how desperately u want to. The legacy of arab idolizing, self-haters like urself will disappear into history like the release of foul smelling hot gas. Meanwhile try to get urself a life sir.
Mr maziar asharfian bonab’s theory is badly outdated and merely repeats the discredited views made by Dr Wells back in 2001. Dr Wells fashioned a a highly controversial and hereto unprecedented theory concerning the non-Aryan or non ancient Indo-Iranian origins of the present day Iranian populations based on extremely limited population samples. Dr Wells views has since fallen into disrepute. Even at the time Wells fabricated his theory, it was contradicted by genetic studies conducted by Cavalli-Sforza, Wells’ own teacher, who has revealed that present day Iranians have weak correlation with Near Eastern groups, and are closer to surrounding Indo-Europeans speaking populations.
But mr maziar ashrafian bonab is trying to advance/resurrect the defunct theories of dr wells. The theory basically says that the present day Iranians are merely Middle Easterners (related to ancient Middle Eastern groups like the Akkadians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Amorites, etc. and other Semites of Mesopotamia) who borrowed their language from the unrelated ancient Indo-Iranians or ancient Aryans.
Like Dr Wells before him, mr maziar ashrafian bonab’s ideologically driven theory conveniently ignores the preponderance of R1a genetic marker among present day Iranian populations and/or the overall autosomal DNA of the Iranians. (The R1a or the ancient Iranian-Aryan distinct genetic marker is regularly found at frequencies of greater than 15% across Iran, and reaches frequencies of 35% or much higher in the eastern parts of the country. The highest R1a1 frequencies are detected in the Central Asian populations of Ishkashemi Tajiks (68%) and Pamiri Tajiks (64%), both groups being remnants of the original Eastern Iranian population of the region. Apart from these two groups, high frequencies of R1a1 are also found in Pashtuns (44.8%) and eastern parts of the Iranian Highlands up to frequencies of 35%, similar to Northern India.)
Furthermore, linguistic and archeological evidence proves that the Aryans of ancient Iran shared almost nothing in common with the Semites, neither in language nor culture. Infact the flow of culture that began Mesopotamian civilization was from the regions near the Zagros to the Near East, intruding into the aboriginal cultures of those regions. So in the past, Middle Easterners and ancient Iranians were very different people.
In addition, modern populations of the southern Middle East (especially Arabic speaking ones) have a higher frequency of the haplogroup J1, whereas the great majority of Haplogroup J representatives among the populations of the Northern Middle East, southern Europe, Iran and India belong to the subclade J2a. Haplogroup J2a-M410 in India is largely confined to the upper castes with little occurrence in the middle and lower castes and is completely absent from south Indian tribes and middle and lower castes.
This suggests that, if the occurrence of Haplogroup J2a among modern populations of southern Europe, Central Asia, and South Asia does reflect Neolithic demic diffusion from the Middle East, the source population is more likely to have originated from Anatolia, the Levant or northern Mesopotamia than from regions further south into the arabian peninsula and southern Iraq.
In other words, J2a marker which is found in an average frequency of 25% in Iran would be mainly an Indo-Ayran marker, i.e. those Indo-European people of western Asia. This also works for southern Europeans including Greeks and Italian people.
Compared to the Indo-Aryan J2a marker associated with the ancient Hittites, Mitanni and other Indo-European Anatolian populations, the occurrence of the Semite/South Mesopotamian genetic marker J1 is 40.1% in saudi arabia, 58.3% in Qatar, 72.6% in Yemen, 38.0% in Oman, 34.8% in UAE, 33.3% in Kuwait and only between 9% to 11% in Iran.
However, mr ashrafian bonab claims in essence that the present day Iranians descent from the South Mesopotamian populations and share the same ancestry with the marsh shia arabs of Iraq. It should be added that some later shia hadiths put ajam (a derogatory arab term for Iranians) and the people of kufah in southern Iraq, who refused to help the 3rd shia Martyred Imam Hussein, at the same ancestry.
Remarkably, mr maziar ashrafian bonab also claims that almost ALL the seyyeds in Iran or those who claim descent from the Prophet of Islam seem to share the same south Mesopotamian distinct genetic marker of J1c3d. Over 6 million ppl in Iran alone claim the seyyed ancestry.
Yet, genetic studies in Northern India and other non arab lands has shown that only 11% of the supposed seyyeds share southern Mesopotamian/Semite J1c3d genetic marker. Another 18 percent share the genetic markers J2 which is associated with Indo-Europeans ancient Hittites in Northern Mesopotamia. And 90 percent of those who claim seyyed descent in India and non arab lands share the same genetic markers as the rest of the native populations of their respective country.
Present day West Iranians are genetically closest to the Kurds, and show great genetic similarity to the Armenian and other populations of the Caucasus Mountains.
The genetic markers of present day East Iranians is very similar to that of North Indians and the Brahmans in general, belonging in equal numbers to genetic markers R1a, J2 and G.
To claim that Iranians are a mutated form of arab populations (ajam) is unsubstantiated, ideological rhetoric and is wishful thinking on the part of individuals and groups with a clear ideological agenda.
Fundamentalists are bent on proving through distortion of historical facts, manipulation of scientific data and a host of other unwholesome tactics that the ancient Aryan/Iranian identity is only a myth/lie and even if true was insignificant and marginal at best.
These ideological warriors have found a valuable ally in the politically correct and decadent attitudes of the West toward ancient Indo-European studies.
According to these ideological warriors, Iranian identity begins with shia islam, and all science, culture and civilization and even national identity came to Airan/Iran only after the arab bedouin invasion. To them, Iranians are ajam or a mutated version of arab people, and pre-islamic Iranian history, culture, nationhood and ancient beliefs are mostly a myth and are insignificant at best.
Accordingly; anything and everything prior to the arab invasion falls within the category of dark ages and superstition. The works of mr maziar ashrafian bonab has only given a scientific legitimacy to such unauthentic hadiths and long held erroneous and wishful beliefs.
(During his youth, mr maziar ashrafian bonab shared the Islamic revolutionary ideals of the Basiji movement and the basiji ideals of shia Islam, country and people. The following posted video by mr maziar ashrafian bonab shows clearly his ideological inclinations. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5eQS3D4bbU.)
Another fellow thinker of mr maziar ashrafian bonab; mr reza zia-ebrahimi asks if the ancient Indo-European heritage of Iranians does even matter??? Well, the real question is, if faith in the universal islamic religion equates arabization or obliteration of any identity other than the arab/islamic identity???
Going back to mr reza zia-ebrahimi rhetorical question; Yes every identity matters. The same way that the Palestinian identity matters, the kurdish and Iranian identity matter as well. The possible hebrew lineage of present day Palestinian Arabs matter. The Armenian ancestry of many present day Turks matter. The ancient Indo-European ancestry and identity of present day Iranians and Kurds matter too.
Fact is that shia islam has a rich and undeniable Zoroastrian heritage and background. That heritage ought to be celebrated and not shunned, denied or obliterated by the shia moslems.
Happily, many present day Iranians are PROUDLY rediscovering their Aryan Zoroastrian past and see NO conflict between their ancient heritage/religion and their current shia faith. This includes many brave members of the Islamic revolutionary guard and families and children of shia marja or sources of emulation. The tide of history can not be undone.
I would like to end this article with a quote from Tolkien Lord of the Rings; “How could the world go back to the way it was, when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it’s only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines, it will shine out the clearer.”
ardeshir
Iranian mitochondrial DNA
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3828245/
iranian Y chromosomes
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3399854/
afghan hindu kush genetics
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3799995/
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#Indo-Iranian
Here is the fruit of Elena Kuz’mina’s life-long quest for origin of the Indo-Iranians, considered the most comprehensive analysis of the origins of the Indo-Iranians ever published
http://books.google.com/books?id=x5J9rn8p2-IC&pg=PA163&lpg=PA163&dq=andronovo+culture+and+indo+iranians&source=bl&ots=VOTgL5dloB&sig=rF7usZcHPSZnPTtf8
The west bengali Brahmins have R1a1 levels over 72%
Courtesy of Carl Graham
Compared to the Indo-Aryan J2a marker associated with the ancient Hittites, Mitanni and other Indo-European Anatolian populations, the occurrence of the Semite/South Mesopotamian genetic marker J1 is 40.1% in saudi arabia, 58.3% in Qatar, 72.6% in Yemen, 38.0% in Oman, 34.8% in UAE, 33.3% in Kuwait and only between 9% to 11% in Iran.”
Actually the J1 marker in all those countries is overwhelmingly of the variety FGC11 , except in Iran where FCG11 is largely absent.Again this is also true in Europe,Central Asia, Armenia,Britain and the Caucaus where there are many varieties of J1 , except for the markedly Arab variety FGC11 which is overwhelmingly abundant in Arabia and north Africa but exceedingly rare elsewhere.
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“Remarkably, mr maziar ashrafian bonab also claims that almost ALL the seyyeds in Iran or those who claim descent from the Prophet of Islam seem to share the same south Mesopotamian distinct genetic marker of J1c3d. Over 6 million ppl in Iran alone claim the seyyed ancestry.”
Well J- L859 is supposed to be Mohammeds signature which is , naturally enough , a subgroup within the larger Arab FGC11 group and there exists no more than a couple J-L859 people anwhere east of Arabia and Iraq.In short there may be 6 million people in iran with J1c3d, but they are almost all related to the European,Central Asian, Armenian,British and Caucausian varities and not the Arab ones.The “legitimate seyyed” line is even rarer than a needle in a haystack.
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Yet “genetic studies in Northern India and other non arab lands has shown that only 11% of the supposed seyyeds share southern Mesopotamian/Semite J1c3d genetic marker.”
Actually the J1 DNA project lists only one Iranian and one Pakistani as J-L859 seyyeds.As far as I know those are about the only real seyyeds east of Arabia and there’s only one other Iranian in FCG11 period in the approximately 700 or so FCG11 members in the J1 DNA project.
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“In addition, modern populations of the southern Middle East (especially Arabic speaking ones) have a higher frequency of the haplogroup J1, whereas the great majority of Haplogroup J representatives among the populations of the Northern Middle East, southern Europe, Iran and India belong to the subclade J2a. Haplogroup J2a-M410 in India is largely confined to the upper castes with little occurrence in the middle and lower castes and is completely absent from south Indian tribes and middle and lower castes.
This suggests that, if the occurrence of Haplogroup J2a among modern populations of southern Europe, Central Asia, and South Asia does reflect Neolithic demic diffusion from the Middle East, the source population is more likely to have originated from Anatolia, the Levant or northern Mesopotamia than from regions further south into the arabian peninsula and southern Iraq.”
Actually when you control for FGC11 then J1 has exactly the same distribution pattern as G,J2a,R1a,etc.In particular all places in Europe where J2a and G coexist , J1 is also found ( without exception) and overwhelmingly of the non Arab variety.Even in southern Italy and Spain ,which were occupied by the Arabs, FCG11 is very rare when compared to how common it is in north Africa.
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My conclusion is that there may well be a J1 Mesopotamian/Semitc component to some Iranians but I’m betting that over 90 % ( at least !! ) of J1 Iranians are more related to the J1 component that spread out from the Lake Van/southern Caucasus area.
Just to expand a little on the previous comment:
The Border Reiver DNA site is finally back up,which is good.It’s a bit out dated , but this was the first study to find a significant amount of genetic signatures similar to Iranian ones in Britain.This is in the area near to where the Sarmatian cavalry were stationed along Hadrian’ s Wall.
This site shows some interesting things.Mostly it seems that a good many rare British signatures match Iranian ones.For instance the C,T,L and the pre R1a/R1b R signatures seem to be overwhelmingly Iranian in origin.Probably there is more Iranian G than ancient European G and even haplogroup Q is slightly more Iranian than otherwise.Of course the R1 ,I and J signatures are more widespread so it’s not quite as easy to determine origin.
We can make some conclusions though because there were never any Arab or Turkish invasions of Britain and only a small handful of Jews chose to remain when the rest were expelled in 1292 and they all seem to have died off.In short any unusual ( for western Europe ! ) signatures in Britain pretty much have to be Iranian because nobody else ever settled Britain in any amount. My suspicion is that Iranian signatures showing Iranian movements into the Levant and Arabia are being mistaken for Semitic movements into Iran and I also feel that a good many “Turkish” signatures in places like Kazakhstan,Uzbekistan,etc. are actually ancient pre-dynastic Iranian signatures representing old migrations out into the Steppes ( which would explain pretty nicely how a Scotsman such as myself can have distant matches with Balochi and Turkmen !!! )
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/…/dna…
Some further information.
Here we have autosomal maps from Eupedia “Distribution maps of autosomal admixtures in Europe, the Middle East and North Africa”
I decided to compare 3 of them.First the Gedrosian component, a distinctive Iranian component peaking in ancient Gedrosia ( modern Balochistan).Next the Red Sea component which Peaks in Arabs,North Africans and the Levant.Finally I compared the Southwest Asian component which also peaks in the same areas as the Red Sea component but is associated with the J1 haplogroup.
First let’s note the Gedrosian map :
Britain has the highest Gedrosian autosomal component west of Turkey at over 10 % with Scotland over 12 % and Ireland at 11.9 %.Jewish values are ,understandably , lower at 5.7 % for Sephardic and 2.8% for Ashkenazim.
The Red Sea component is pretty telling as the Arab and Jewish values are around 20 % but there really isn’t any Red Sea component in Britain ( less than 1/2 %
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So we can see that one of the major components found in Iranian populations is strong in Britain , while another component strong in Arabs and Jews is absent.What about the Southwest Asian component , affiliated with J1 and Semitic populations ? Where would it fit in ?
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As we can see much of the Southwest component matches with the Red Sea component.But not all of it.In some areas it matches more with the Gedrosian component.For example in Britain,Scandinavia and much of western Europe the Southwest component is present where the Red Sea component is absent or very weak and the Gedrosian component is significantly stronger.Also the Red Sea component is absent in much of the North Caucasus and is weak in Azerbaijan and the southern Caspian Sea.The southwest component is stronger , but the Gedrosian component is quite strong.The east of the Caspian Sea ( despite so little showing on the map : ( ) is the most interesting as we have no Red Sea component whatever , a fairly strong Southwest Asian component and a very strong Gedrosian component.
As luck would have it the Southwest Asian component matches the Gedrosian component most exactly where the Alans,and Sarmatians ( and other tribes migrated).East of the Caspian Sea, the northern Caucasus,west Caspian area and western Europe.All with no Red Sea component ( such an important one to Semitic populations).It’s also worth pointing out that being as how much of the Southwestern Asian component exists without the Red Sea component it’s highly probable that Southwest component developed in the north first and then moved south.
Courtesy of Carl Graham in response to the comments of an islamo supremacist
the so-called ”Persians” are genetical closer to Arabs and Turks in western Iran than their eastern cousins from Mashhad or Kerman… and beyond. Modern ”Persians” are just ”Iranized” Arabs, Turks …”
LOL ,where to begin !
How about this :
It’s a map showing the location of the various genetic markers for lactase persistence.The G-13915 marker is the Arab marker found in Arabia , East Africa in the area of the Arab slave trade and in areas of North Africa with high Arab settlement.It is also found in Iran in very small numbers in the known Arab settled areas and nowhere else.This marker (G-13915) is found only in Arab populations and nowhere else.It exists in 78.2 percent of the Saudi population and is believed to be about 4000 years old.
The common Iranian ( and European marker ) is T-13910 which is a bit older than the Arabian marker.The Arabian marker is theorized to be a result of the domestication of the camel , while the Iranian/European one is linked to the domestication of the cow.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2253962/
Pretty much drives a stake through the hearty of the mistaken conception that the Arab expansion of the Muslim period has anything to do with modern Iranian or southern European populations.
Carl Graham’s photo.
Truth is these islamo supremacists have not much of a philosophy, logic or ideology. However, what they lack in ideas or logic, they try to compensate with blatant lies, distortion of facts, revision of history, name calling, ridicule, intimidation and bullying. This has been their modus operandi from the beginning. If they can not possibly win, they bs, lie and bully their way through.
Balashagan , between Lake Urmia and the Caspian Sea.This is very likely where much J1 in Iran and Europe came from.J1 is known to have arisen in the Lake Van area just west of there.How it is that J1 officially became a “Semitic” marker is beyond me .I know it’s common in Semitic populations nowadays but that doesn’t prove anything about Iranian,Caucasian,Turkmen of European J1 people.
Interestingly I have close genetic matches to J1 Balochis and a Turkmen from Jawzjan , only 50 miles from the birthplace of Zoroaster.
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